http://www.mommiesontheweb.com/articles/discipline/kdarchive7.html
http://www.goodparent.org
sent Jim shaeffer, also sent him ed.
/need disc to not get so hysterical during an emerg. cops. take em and walk em
/hurts you as much as it hurts them. many parents can’t do it as it
hurts the kid
/free to do good things, not bad things
/jimmy & billy carter
myths
Before a kid will cooperate he has to be interested in what you have
to offer and like you, and you have to be his friend……..
He knows what is right
Your relationship must be democratic, never authoritarian
Punishment is medieval; humiliation is a close 2nd.
Being tough means you dislike him.
His self expression can only flower in a permissive climate.
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/kids drive you to hard nosing em.. and then , it works
/ can’t say no ‑thelma: dogs, daughter, grndaughter, men, boss?
/ harass, drill
/ when bad you have to disc. em till they learn their lesson ‑ just like in mil (why haven’t they written anything on it)
/ you get to know bad kids lst.
‑ you can almost see the diff ‑ kids up front in d.c.
/ you can tell the diff in a crisis
/ I remember Mrs. scott yelling at us
/ write on blackbd l00 times
/ kids have favorites; teachers too = more in common with, all know it, but kids sense when you PLAY favorites.
/don’t compare personalities, but you can compare levels of coop?
/bad apple ruins the bunch
/oh he’s that age = excuse
/7/6/88 catering to bullies on opra – incredible. one’s pa there. couldn’t take it. kid was l2
/how spinless adults seek to reason with kid from a position of spinlessness. after you can’t reason with him or when he needs it, you punish. till you get his atten. then punish for what he did, reason again, see if he got it -probably not, punish again. simple drills. instead of “counseling” like at waxter.
/ respect = no name calling – tolerated far too much in our soc – which is WHY you nip it in the bud.
/sent this to joe clark, eastside hi, patterson, nj 9/88 & got note?
/if not you hurt them and you.
Is it wrong if punishment is humiliating, embarrassing, belittlement, denigration, and degrading = verbal assault & emotional abuse. but what if kid brings it on self, and adult is only holding mirror up to him. a ma put kid in pig costume and tied his hands. once kid shapes up, praise him, you’re doing better, keep it up,
/ don’t call kids jerk, freak, idiot, worthless, stupid. and don’t use always and never. you always bug me and you’ll never learn
/[break his will, but not his dig] discipline’s fine line =0 it’s not fine. this article said a kid MIGHT return stolen items. ty and used jkid likes you cause you’re the only one who will stand up to him and do it fairly, justly, – limits. then you become his friend. can’t pry him off? – like that steven in lena – came to my hse every day – was ok after he cried. sure feel sorry for the folks who seem to think you or the settlement know better
/crosby would spank his kid with hairbrush till they were l0 or l2
/today they don’t even correct a kid’s attitude = a guarantee he’ll get into trouble
/most kids are good – ridic…. to let one ruin em all- how fair is that
/jap… , st. catherines
/detention center
/let him see it coming
/gradualism
/he gets himself in trouble
/be clear ahead of time about punishment
/autocratic, dem, participatory
feedback from Jim: liked it a lot [but no plan to give copies to teachers or parents] lack of parental control, abdicated hsehold role altogether. they say “I told him to go to sch.” no auth. parents would deny a lot. clear and strong limits nec., no discussion. too much negotiation. diff limits for diff ages. more freedom as older -gradualism. [He sounding like burn out?] breakin and rape. 7th yr old raped by 40 yr old. less hot for the one on ed [seemed to have dislike for it]. boy am I’m glad I’m out of that stuff after talking to him and bod.
market try pta
/explain disc. for kids and poor, cops
/roberta weintraub wants metal detectors, more armed guards, locker searches, [cars too] closed campus? safe campus is a civil right
/copy to roberta weintraub?
/data from jim shaffer or greg? or kanter
/we’re going to get along and you’re going to do the getting along
/trump screw back in spades – [for justice] if I steal $l00 from you. and you steal $l00 back, I’ve broken even and might try again. You should punish me by stealing $200 [and make sure I know it?] so I don’t even THINK of doing it again. more trouble to be bad…
/admit your mistakes, etc
/hand spanking
/glasser said disc it for beh. and punish is for person. @#$%^&*(=&*
/disc – have to drill em
/disc. fear vs paranoid – have to spell out all for libs – joke
/kids love it when you get the bad ones and set a good system. they can sense fairness. punishment hurts you more?
/disc till he thinks twice bout doing it again.
/disc. only reason up to a pt. beyond that is waste and undig?. they have to learn auth
/disc. when a kid gets hurt. make it quiet, be very gentle=respect. do min of talk, he’s got enuff on his mind, distracting him is dumb. don’t ball out anyone then. don’t take that moment to vent YOUR frust….
/disc youth challened by being taken aback, reprimanded. they are sincerely curious bout what is right.
/disc. stand in a corner
/have to have as many pos as neg for balance
/ma whipped all 7 kids and said I know I got the one that did it
/worst kid can become your best helper and devoted friend. some press you till you make em cry. they they’re ok – steven
/spare the rod
/terrible thing on tv of teen slapping infant
/punishment is unpleasant[for both] it’s supposed to be
/on spoiling – billy carter
/good disc is preventative: profanity, disrespect,
/disc advice for kids?
/a rich man with a spoiled son must look w
/envy on poor man whose son turned out right.
/can accomplish so much thru disc
/clean = hosp clean, mil clean
/cop got physical with dave karg. was all that was needed.
/disc later understood as int, fair, wise & clients will praise you
/disc. make em explain what they did
/disc. free w/IN the framework
/vals – ny. guy said all you hear is, my kid won’t have it as ruff – and backfire.
/wonder if anti spank is anti disc or is it just me
/your kid should know how to what at what age
fix favorites bit – tried – best I could do
/ don’t talk em to death
Back in Control, ll07 W. Chapman #c, Orange, CA, 92668,
/bad = beh, not the kid
/when you have a system too soft or too hard, you get riot? then if you blow it -attica, you then get too many rights and worse off than before.
/why is it people with little or no ed can raise kids better than highly ed ones.
/you don’t have time to continually try to persuade a kid by reasonPlease do not return this. If you can’t use it, no need to reply.
/reasonable, suitable, proper spanking, but betsy arron is anti. one paddled kid quit sch
/disc, l & o creates freedom
Discipline myths
Love and good intentions are enough …….. (false)
A kid has to like you and the subject before he will cooperate .. false.
Only in a permissive climate can he develop ………. false.
He knows what is right …. (he has an idea, but needs you to define,
teach, and sometimes impose it.
Be a friend first ………….. false
Being tough with kids means you dislike them ………. (false)
Never be authoritarian ……….(false)
Never punish nor unintentionally humiliate a kid …… false
/peer presure. spank for fairness
/bad attitude is all. make enuff trouble so he never does it again. can do as i’m an adult.
/didn’t i fear spanking – more by ma than pa
/m spanking doesn’t teach self-control. teaches em to hit who’s the only one that can make you follow the rules – you youself. was given choices so he wouldn’t be punished.
/parent classes say don’t use words don’t and no
/disc = drills, NOT endless talk [ed]
/parenting class: no bks, tests, nor lectures. few rules to hassle kids. “no” and “don’t” are not used by folks. r l2/4/90
/disc. slap = ?.
/disc: severe punishment when nec [example]. glance at him periodically to gauge his reaction. or find out somehow as some don’t show. he is to hurt or be humiliated? to learn never to do it again.
/when reprimanding kid in supermarket, some adults give impression you may be wrong – same in teaching, trips, etc.
/disc as preventative sig. nip it in the bud 6
/never lie to kids, never ask anything unreasonable of em. hypocrasy.
/disc protects
/the magic person
/disc to protect and prevent ….
The Child Advocate, Assist. League of N.B. 822 8627 wrote for list of pubs /harrass as part of disc. teach. cops can and should to teach, train. as druggers need it as don’t quit till tired of the hassle.
/takes lot of disc to be a black muslim in prison or out and it’s disc that sets em free
/we’re all capable of bad but vals, disc, etc. hold us back
/disc protects
– little things [disc, stick, prevent.. police wk], emotion –
/jun was a perfect ex of one who needs disc [punishment]
/jim murray said it all, they only quit when tired of the hassle.
/i was quiet but effective in afs as i meant biz.
/bad kids keep playing after you start to reprimand them. decent kids stop. so bad kids you have to keep hassling – make it unpleasant for em. kids blowing horn in van. go after leader or oldest one.
/need ex of pounding it into a person.
/need specifics
/disc = jim murray saying they only get out of drugs when super tired of the hassle.
/and orderly operation raises moral
/verbal black kid that had to repeat probably didn’t get limits at home.
/obeying ridiculous orders for the sake of obedience.
/has to hurt you as much? as it hurts them.
/even mild spankings humiliate and create anger or resentment. [which] leads to an erosion of self-esteem. that resentment may erode the rel twix parent and child. when a dhild misbehaves, the reprikand should be immediate, brief and delivered calmly but firmly – no yelling or pleading. la
/how to spank.
/david toma: kids want direction, limits, disc. told what to do. judges liberal till get mugged.
/david toma: tossed a kid out of lecture. kid later succeded and thanked him. like gal who kissed that cop.
/disc. as in mil sch. jap sch?
/teach vals vs instil, demand, drill into,
/tell kids you know what you’re doing.
/disc withOUT love.
/You did it to yourself.
/adults should make kids somewhat aware of what effort has been made for them.
/few disc guidelines for sch bus.
/big hearted white ex-pros kissed black cop jackson whose getting on her case had gotten her to stop. on cops.
-touching moment
/keith thinks I’d be a far stricter parent than he with possible rebellion. he lossened up after afs ers arrived.
/stopping bad attitude soon PREVENTS a lot of trouble later.
/past a point you can reason with a bad kid. has to be punished. THEN he will think about it and progress. trying to do it by talk is 0.
/i think snake pit in mental hospitals as no disc
/disc as preventative
/good guy, bad guy – like carrot and stick
/if you raise a kid to be resp, he’s more likely to take advice re smoking, etc.
/video camera on sch bus. can’t tell if it’s on or off. made all the diff. i’d forgotten how much kids acted up. it cut trouble 84$ tv 9/92.
/sports throughout sch teach disc, respect, etc.
/disc to lam? or viets as can’t beat kids.
/proof in the pudding – hse rules.
/disc. auth. shows conf of auth. promotes faith in client.
/spare the rod … and spoil the child.
/i DID send disc to jim s and thot he could have used it for parents.add don’t be a peer friend as they need auth. not nec to be liked always. they thank you later.
/in 76 2 states banned corporal punishment in schs. now about half do. 93
/libs don’t disc kid till the kid gets THEM in trouble Everyone has “favorites” – those we have more in common with; have them, but don’t ever play them.
/don’t shake a baby to disc. it.
/linda g and keith said I’d be too strict as a parent.
/hidden cameras on sch buses show kids doing stuff I’d have never put up with.
/you disc to prevent getting angry.
/older kids have to be ex to younger
/choice of swats or …. , radicalism or mental illness.
/rooming hse has reinforced my belief in disc.
/give an inch, they take a mile.
/media surprised so many support the canning. THEY would be. 4/94
/arlene patterson and disc. i was on verge of he goes or I go.
disc = ed.
/disc: sch bus, sub teach, afs, esl? d stricter but better results.
/punishment should include options.
/to disc is to promote fairness. disc is l & o.
/punishment is most effective when swift and sure. krauthammer
/punishment geared toward change.
/if you can’t tell the diff between disc and child abuse, you don’t belong in the biz. tv
/I wish I’d had a bus cam when I was a sch bus driver. how could they EVER debate the worth of that. infringement of their rights.
/ridiculous orders in mil. eaton.
/parents sitting up their with teens. can’t get teens to do right as didn’t bring em up right. resp,
/ridiculous orders in mil. eaton.
/parents putting up their with teens. can’t get teens to do right as didn’t bring em up right. resp,
/to sir with love – class, disc,
/disc means no choices and kids are secure because of it. js.
/kid walks goofy, then bike, then car
/you know more and better. I must have had a thousand discussions about it. If I hadn’t driven a school bus, I’d have ended up in the nuthouse.
/can’t make example of kid as it might humiliate him
/allowing kids to dress any way is disrespect, no auth, of comm standards.
/disc to parents pl/all has to be positive and sugar coated/l2 yr old kid in front of cop called his ma a fag. on cops
/jim murray said junkies quit only after it gets to be too much trouble./bad kids will threaten you with not liking you/sinbad said time out doesn’t work in his neigh/no profanity/i hid ma’s whip. also wrote i hate you- fly swatters too/disc reduces the chance of accidents, stress. it promotes resp and many other tradvals …
/disc = control?/being a parent is tuff, but a lot of people are good at it/to sir with love = disc.
/need cams in sch buses AND classrooms/to fail to punish is to invite more …
/to fail to punish is to invite more …
/disc to prevent mutual abuse, bullying, and then columbine
(Further ideas from a local chapter of Parents Anonymous – 800 the kids, or Tough Love, Box 70, Sellerville, PA.)
/needed as kids are kids – look at sub teachers.
/you have to punish some to teach some an adult means what he says.
/out of place with spanking kirk.
/bad results with spanking odette’s kid.
/I hid ma’s little black whip and wrote a note ‘I hate you’
she used fly swatters too. broke em? stapled em?
newspaper on a dog
/watch out for power hungry or ego?
/host on afs said I was quiet and effective. Lucy left it to me. maybe that’s what she meant by immature.
/’bad’ has to mean hassle, trouble, penalties.
/I hid ma’s little black whip. Wrote her ‘I hate you’. Feared her.
/sofi made her kids obey and her son has turned out well – good position in law enforcement
/seems because I had a good sys I never truly blew up at the kids the way my teachers did.
/was that guy lee cantor?
http://maxweber.hunter.cuny.edu/pub/eres/EDSPC715_MCINTYRE/AssertiveDiscipline.html
/ http://wik.ed.uiuc.edu/index.php/Canter,_Lee
/principal joe clark – lean on me
/ (Further ideas from Parents Anonymous or Tough Love.)
/means kids need a pack leader
/ One Way to Guarantee More Trouble A study done on the disciplinary actions of students in Texas should prompt all states to re-examine their policies. 7/ll
/ /calm assertive, calm submissive
/once it’s clear to them, they submit.
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/getting kids to do chores vs farm kids
/one parent on NY said the way I handled the afs kids was quiet but effective. Must have been same guy who greeted ea with a clever greeting
/ On Spanking and Abuse By CHARLES M. BLOW Drawing blood isn’t an expression of love. It’s an expression of anger and exasperation that morphs into abuse.
/hellen keller as a kid was wild
/used to make kids write on bd ……
/one vice principal wore or bot a bullet proof vest
/donna’s bro gave up as vice p.
/they never look at fundamental schs, pri schs, charters
/search disc…..fads found 0
/bratty kids often have a bratty look. Decent, wel brot up kids often have a calm, wholesome look
/he’s at that age
/ https://www.bing.com/search?q=gregory+bodenhamer+&FORM=HDRSC1
/couldn’t put a bad kid off the sch bus…………. of course
/ Back In Control – How To Get Your Children To Behave (strugglingteens.com)
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